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Poster: tim_oz Date: Feb 14, 2010 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: New Release: 7/7/89

Not sure if this has been mentioned here but this announcement has been doing the rounds:

"Grateful Dead Productions will release a 3CD/1DVD Grateful Dead set called Crimson, White & Indigo: July 7, 1989 - JFK Stadium, Philadelphia, planning its release for March 30."

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Feb 15, 2010 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

The DVD is a good idea. It's a great show. But just sell the DVD for a reasonable price. A package with 3 CDs of the audio doesn't make any sense. Nobody wants that, nobody needs that. The AUD here at the archive is one of the best in circulation - no board will rival that source in terms of listening pleasure (and the SBDs are fine too).

Thumbs up if they offer the DVD separate, thumbs down if this is a rip-off package. I'd buy the Monopoly game before paying for 4 discs of this show.

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Feb 15, 2010 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Someday,I would like to see a outtakes/alternate view compilation DVD release of songs from the bands viewpoint with audience dancing and grooving. There is an example of this on the Liberty video that was included in the RKF '91 DVD.

I agree with the other posters that GDP should be catering to the more hardcore fans.

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Poster: yesss! Date: Feb 14, 2010 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

i may be alone here, but i am excited about this release. i already have audio and video of it, but i will still buy it. yeah, it's not a newly discovered board of 6/14/68 or video of 5/8/77, but it is a very strong show from what i consider to be one of the last good tours the band ever did. jerry was animated and alert and giving it his all, and the band was riding a positive wave and playing with energy and having fun. first set has an excellent loser and an over the top blow away, and the second set has a great scarlet>fire with a nice melodic transition. so, as much as i have been hoping for a dvd of the complete 4/17/72 to pop up, i am not at all disappointed. of course, it doesn't hurt that i had a lot of fun at this show, but still...

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Poster: utopian Date: Feb 14, 2010 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

I was at this one. The first set was excellent and Brent sure did shine!
Last of the tent city tours. Get the fob before they pull it.

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Feb 15, 2010 12:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

I was at this one and I definitely want the DVD. Great show and tour. Have had great 1st gen audience tapes a week after this show. Since then upgraded to CD's.

This post was modified by Dead Surfer on 2010-02-15 08:06:32

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 15, 2010 12:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

The show features one of the better--or at least tight--latter day versions of Scarlet>Fire and a pretty good Loser in set 1, but a really pedestrian overall set list and there's not a lot of "oomph" to the show.

The best of '89 has already been released on DVD ("Downhill from Here"--the 3-night Alpine Valley run.)

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Feb 16, 2010 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

I'll be happy to buy the DVD of this show. I'll never forget the indescribable thrill when I first watched View From the Vault I, from Three Rivers Stadium in July 1990, and saw myself dancing in one of the crowd shots during Tom Thumbs Blues. Talk about being transported back in time. My wife still can't believe my full beard and the wild wooly head of hair I had back then.

I'm of the age where the majority of the Dead shows I saw were between 1987, when I was 18 years old and moved out of the parents house, and 1995. So I have been perfectly happy to have many of the concerts I actually attended subsequently released in professional quality video to treasure forever or as long as DVD remains a viable format. Of course I'd love to see professionally released video from earlier years as well. Even a compilation video of some of the best quality footage from multiple venues would be in my checkout cart if no complete shows are available.

In any case this happens to be quite a good show, in my opinion. I especially love the Loser, one of my favorite versions.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

As others have commented on, I really would like to know what the facts are vis-a-vis $$ issues on all the releases...what sells, what doesn't; what makes money, etc. Really would be interesting, but no one ever seems to get there hands on sales figs and the like.

It is really too bad we don't have any film from earlier shows. I actually was given one of the DVDs mentioned above, and sadly, I couldn't even watch it...kids even mentioned that it was bad, though one of them gave it to me. I acted surprised (I was), and even more acting went into the thanks...

Anyhow, I would love to see film from the early yrs, but it just ain't gonna happen I suppose.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

reposted for you, Mr Tell

[Sept 11, 2009] DeadHeads -- is it just me? Never mind me. There is a YouTube tooth-fairy afterall! Grateful Dead, Pigpen, Next Time You See Me, Copenhagen 1972. Upped on Feb 18, 2009 - under 4200 hits [now 9700 hits]. I just embedded it on my GD page. Bobby has a shit-eatin' grin going, Jer is boppin' to the beat, and Pig is all business - all this at the top. Pig's vocals are sharp. Dig that funky hat of his. Great quality for videotape, multi-camera shoot, nice YouTube transfer, great sound in the clip, e/v RE-15 mics on vocals are lined up along the intimate stage setting. Phil is happy. Keith cam is iso'd, we have Pig cam tight shot, Jer cam - check him out "directing" - sending signals during Pig harmonica solo. Jer solo is next, and he's signalling for more volume. Great Keith, Billy, and Bobby shots.

I know, we'd like to see the whole show in full resolution

hopefully more stuff comes out at UCSC soon

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

This whole show exists, albeit in a black and white college student on campus only vid:

But ain't it priceless for this one tune?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbfjnUlhVc4

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 15, 2010 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Wow. That's a multi-camera shoot. That's what we're lookin' for - that's pure gold. Sweet. The Copenhagen clip I cited looks like it was shot live with 4 cameras or so. These would be tube-based, broadcast quality, color video cameras fitted with decent lenses. The cameras were switched live, same as your clip was. Copenhagen clip was tape-recorded on a 2-inch, broadcast quality, quadraplex-scan, video tape recorder.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 16, 2010 6:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Hey BD--boy, I really have to re-evaluate my whole stance on Jerry post 71 or so...based on this clip, though the singing fits my overall view, the dancing, happy bouncing Jerry certainly suggests he could be considerably more active than I have been babbling on about here the past couple of yrs.

I just don't recall seeing much of this sort of thing, but here it is right from the middle of my touring time.

Great to see--after watching the extended version of Woodstock last night, seeing the Who and JimiH, along with Ten Yrs After, I was again reminded of just how exciting it was to see lead players that really got into their performance, jumping/bouncing/smiling...

Say, speaking of such, have you and JOTS checked out Jorma's lead vocals in said film? Damn--forgot the tune, but recall you two appreciate him...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 15, 2010 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

recently posted: Management Secrets of The Grateful Dead

"Fans of the Grateful Dead are big believers in serendipity. So a certain knowing approval greeted the news last year that the band would be donating its copious archive — four decades’ worth of commercial recordings and videotapes, press clippings, stage sets, business records, and a mountain of correspondence..."

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Poster: BVD Date: Feb 15, 2010 10:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

who gives a flyin' fuck what kind of clothes they wear. I'm sure all the 80s fans are comin' in their pants over this release. I really don't give a fuck about dvds. I know what they look like. Tap some gold outa that vault for cryin' out loud!!! Gimme an official release from 71. From the Felt Forum or the Harding Theatre or the show they played at the CYO somewhere. Listened to it today. I think it's July 71. God. There's so much to choose from and they give us this crap??!! Spare me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 16, 2010 6:13am
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Thanks Monte! And be sure to keep us posted as to whomever lands the job in SCruz! It hasn't been announced yet, has it? Haven't been paying attn lately...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 16, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

They have a short list put together right now. I'm not on it. We know very well I'm no Librarian or scholar. I'm a hippie, ex-taper, old soundman, bench tech jack-of-all-tech-trades, and Dead-Head who's for peace - NOW!

My motives for applying were based on technical experience, enthusiasm, and trying to set the bar to a decent minimum point. I have no shame. Simple and clear -- it's pure therapy in my case, is all. I could use a gig here or there, or some side work, that's for sure. No doubt, UCSC will announce their appointment in March. I'm guessing it will be the beginning of March.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 16, 2010 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Thanks man; yep, I knew they were really looking for a logistical/academic sort, really, since the "management" of the material is key, rather than the "interest" (for which any number of "us" would be, if I may say so myself, OVERQUALIFIED).

Besides, who wants to take an academic job in CA just about now? The only state edu system doing worse than us desert baked half wits...

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Feb 15, 2010 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

The problem I have is that they already released 7/4/89, and 7/17/89 in "Downhill From Here"....there seems to be no real balance in what they are choosing. I myself will probably buy it, but I agree that it is disappointing.

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Feb 15, 2010 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

You're all missing the point of the 1989 Dead video/DVD releases, which is to try and figure out how the phuck Bob picked out his wardrobe for the day.

I know image is the last thing these guys cared about, which is great. But who goes on stage in pink t-shirts, jeans shorts that barely cover their ass cheeks, and tennis shoes?

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Feb 15, 2010 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

And Bob wore capri pants for this weekends Furthur shows. Never seen a man wear them. Trend setter?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 15, 2010 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

A message to Bobby Weir:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n307/RobbieO_2006/Funny_Pictures_5910.jpg


If I'm not mistaken, the Capri pants are the same which were a pair of Levi's Dockers he cut off a few years ago.


This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2010-02-16 02:44:46

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Poster: warpHrat Date: Feb 14, 2010 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

I seriously hope not
'
d1t01 Hell In A Bucket
d1t02 Iko Iko
d1t03 Little Red Rooster
d1t04 Ramble On Rose
d1t05 Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
d1t06 Loser
d1t07 Let It Grow >
d1t08 Blow Away

Set II:

d2t01 crowd/tuning
d2t02 Box Of Rain
d2t03 Scarlet Begonias >
d2t04 Fire On The Mountain
d2t05 Estimated Prophet >
d2t06 Standing On The Moon
d2t07 Drums >

d3t01 Space >
d3t02 The Other One >
d3t03 Wharf Rat >
d3t04 Turn On Your Lovelight

Encore:
d3t05 Knockin' On Heaven's Door

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Feb 15, 2010 5:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

oh no...another awful 80's show...stay away!

(this show smokes...no two ways about it...anyone who can't appreciate this show has concrete in their head...i am very excited for this)

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Poster: warpHrat Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:55am
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that's around the time of the 40 ton thai delivery.
I HATE IT !

.........this was just the start. Now We Want The Juice !

http://www.rickross.com/reference/3ho/3ho85.html

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Feb 15, 2010 6:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Nerd

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Feb 15, 2010 6:05am
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NERD11!!!!!

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Feb 15, 2010 3:21pm
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Oy!! Hell In A Bucket! Little Red Rooster! Blow Away! Knockin On Heavens Door!

And I thought Rockin' The Cradle was Lame!!!
Wake Me When Its Over (though to be fair To Terrapin is very awesome indeed) These releases are not blowing me away...

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Feb 15, 2010 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Maybe I sound like a crabby old bastard but I don't care. This release is disappointing to say the least, considering all the great 60s and 70s music still locked away in the vault. The late 80s stadium era has already been thoroughly represented on CD and DVD. We're treading well-worn ground now and I can't justify shelling out for what is simply another rehash of "Truckin' Up to Buffalo" "Downhill from Here" and the "View from the Vault" series.

Oh well. If they were dead set on picking something from the band's final decade, I guess '89-'90 is about as good as things got. At least they didn't delve into the truly wretched post '91 era.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 15, 2010 6:53am
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It's tragic...

So much incredible music in that vault from 1969 and 1970, that circulates in the form of muddy, dull sounboards. Stuff like the '69 Avalon or Dream Bowl performances (likely recorded in 16 track) would sound revitalized and fresh as vault remasters!

And they give us another garbage stadium show from 1989? Who the fuck is the imbecile at GDP making these decisions?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New Release: 7/7/89

Cliff, Whereas I do not disagree with what you are saying I'm sure they (Rhino) only care about what sells. The fact of the matter is there are probably more heads out there that want to buy shows in their era and for the majority this is going to the the 80's and 90's. Like I pointed out the other day, there are only 7 reviews here on the archive for a show of pure Jerry brillance, 12-10-72, and at the same time 40 reviews for a terrible Vince show in the 90's. I dont mind an 80's release, but at least make it the early 80's. Speaking of 12-10-72, now that's a show I would purchase...perhaps add the best of those late November shows (11-22-72?). Also, the sound better be a big upgrade. Charlie's remaster of the Fillmore 1971 shows sounds better than most of my Dick's Picks.

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Poster: Single Malt Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:50am
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Well said. It only makes sense that the target market are touchheads- probably 40 years old and younger. Old people don't buy as much stuff as young people.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 15, 2010 8:45am
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another thing to consider in the selection process is the fact they are releasing a DVD as well. Not sure when they started taping all of the gigs but I remember it was 1987 that I first noticed and most of them were outdoor shows. It's not surprising that the view from the vaults have been Shoreline, Anaheim/Oakland, Three Rivers and RFK. I'd love to see a DVD from Roosevelt 74 but I'm pretty sure one doesn't exist. As for the Philly gig, I listened a while back and wasn't floored. I do remember Blow away and the Scarlet>fire being memorable though.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 15, 2010 10:35am
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I'll second what Lobster said. Actually there is a very short time that they were filming all the shows. I'm sure they would have released something from a different era or even tour if they had it. Anyway, I'm happy see that it will be released and despite the comments of those who have no appreciation for the later era this is a very strong and worthy show.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Feb 15, 2010 1:25pm
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Can't say I am overly thrilled with this potential release seeing how many other options are available.But once again I will purchase like I have done every commercial release since the first album.It is more of a disorder than anything anymore I guess.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 15, 2010 2:29pm
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The other thing to think about is the overall quality of the video for the entire show. They could be choosing these gigs based on that fact that it's the best recorded or filmed shows they have. As one guy on setlists.net said about this Philly show..."not the best show ever, but not bad either".

Not exactly the credentials I'd look for in a release but it may be the best they have.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 15, 2010 8:49pm
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Here is a quote from Lemuix in a 2001 interview. ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/David.Lemieux.March-2001
"There is little archived film of the early shows, except for outtakes
from The Grateful Dead Movie, which was shot over
four nights in 1974. From 1988 onward, there are 75 complete shows
plus other peripheral video."

He goes on to say in 2004, "With video, we have so
little that the selection process is really a matter of going
through the 20-25 releasable concerts we have and determining what
is the right release for the time."
in this interview, ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/DavidLemieux.12.16.2004
So it seems that there really isn't much in the video section that is releasable. Out of that stuff this is probably the best they have.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 15, 2010 8:47am
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I'm not convinced sales have anything to do with their selections.

These official releases only sell about 20,000 units each, regardless of which era they are from. Hardly enough to keep Natasha in shoes and accessories with Weir's cut.

So why not give the hard core fans what they want?

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Feb 16, 2010 4:14am
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I don't disagree or doubt, Cliff, but simply wonder how you know the number of CDs they manufacture these days. I've often wondered how large the market really is.

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 15, 2010 1:39pm
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Money seems to be a logical catalyst for these selections. I think the willingness to spend, spend, spend(you must consume!!) lives within the realm of the touchhead.

We're talking about ravenous east-coast heads who are just young enough to have avoided the, "I just lost my retirement on Wall St." recession. Many of the same people who have a 52" plasma, a BMW with a $499 monthly payment, an upside down mortgage in arrears and $45K in credit card debt and won't think twice about dropping the plastic to buy their fave '89 show from DC. They are my generation and they are idiots.





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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 14, 2010 5:23pm
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What a shame...

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Feb 14, 2010 5:32pm
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Agreed...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 14, 2010 5:39pm
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It might have been an 80's a sub-par show, but at least the folks got to take home bits of crumbling concrete from that one.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Feb 15, 2010 7:39am
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Would have been funny if they'd played 'Samson & Deliah'....